For the Love of Leo

-The zodiac sign Leo represents childlike joy, creativity, and the courage to be authentic and vulnerable. Leos have a deep need to be seen and loved.

-Connecting with the moon's cycles can help us connect with the hidden, emotional parts of ourselves and foster a deeper sense of spirituality and connection to the natural world.

-Mercury retrograde is not something to be feared, but rather an opportunity to slow down, reflect, and gain new perspectives on our thoughts and communication

-Information about the Astro Bash astrology conference in Borrego Springs, California that Suzanne and Amy are helping to organize. The conference will take place September 26-29 and will feature a variety of astrology speakers and topics.

-A detailed discussion of the zodiac sign Leo, including its traits, symbolism, and connection to creativity, children, and authenticity.

-Insights into the spiritual truth that Leo represents - the courage to be oneself.

-An overview of upcoming astrological transits, including Mercury retrograde, Jupiter square Saturn, and the moon phases.

-Reflections on the importance of connecting with the moon's cycles and how that can help us connect with the hidden parts of ourselves.

 

Transcript

Suzanne  0:00 

Leo is here to create Leo is here to be playful. If you think of like, childlike energy, you know that childlike joy, what does the child want to do? They want to go out, they just want to be joyful. They want to create, they love to do art, they love to put on little plays, they do everything they do is creating something new. And I think when we when we move through the Zodiac, you know, we've each time we talk about how we move through the Zodiac, you know, we've come out of cancer season and cancers like in their little shell they're like feeling so emotional about everything they just want to hide away and they just want to feel all the emotions Leo is here to be like, Okay, I'm done with hiding. I want to be seen, you know, and they've, they've healed cancer has helped them to heal, which is now enabling them to shine and to create.

 

Amy  0:48 

This season on the living out love podcast, we are focusing on you, who you are, what motivates you, what you're here to contribute, and how you can expand will be utilizing my leadership skills and spiritual connection, diving deep into the Enneagram and astrology. Listen every week to become intimately aware of yourself. Only then heal and grow. Let's get to work loves. Love's Welcome to the living out love Podcast. I'm so excited. We're continuing our astrology series. And we're going to talk about Leo. But before we do that, Susanna and I realized we have been holding something from you that we did not mean to withhold. We are both going to be speakers at this amazing astrology conference upcoming in September. And Suzanne is helping to organize said conference. So, Suzanne, why don't you tell us all about it?

 

Astro Bash 

Suzanne  1:48 

Yeah, absolutely. So, the conference is called Astro bash. It is in Borrego Springs, California, which is the home to Steven Forrest, who is, to me the most incredible astrologer in the world. And, you know, last year, Amy and I, we thought it'd be really fun to get together and do it at an astrology conference. Because why not. And so, Amy searched up to see if there were any, any conferences around, especially when receiving forest would be there. And she happened to find this one. And, you know, we decided to go, and I think for both of us, I can speak for myself, at least it was definitely a life changing experience. You know, I mean, it was just it was it felt the energy there, it was a smaller conference. So, it felt very intimate. You felt like, you know, when you sat down and ate, you just got to know all of these people, these incredible astrologers and everybody, we have a book filled with everybody's charts, and we'd sit at the table, comparing charts and, and asking questions and listening to the lectures, and the people were just so lovely. It felt like a family. And I learned so much my confidence grew incredibly. And it was it was just; it was it was life changing. It was so life changing. In fact, last year was actually their first year that they did it. And, um, when they were gonna go organize again for this year, they really realized that a lot of people who that help last year couldn't help again this year, and they needed more help. But I got the call. And I was like, you know, it's that important to me that this thing happens again, I'm gonna I'm gonna jump in, and I'm gonna volunteer. And that's how I ended up helping to organize it. And I just, it's just, it's so different from other conferences, I think because the energy is so special given that it's, it's in Borrego Springs, which is just beautiful to receive. And Forrest has written I think all of his books. And it's just that the intimacy and the energy of it felt just magical to me.

 

Amy  3:44 

Yeah, I mean, so I had never heard of Borrego Springs, California, because I'm a Texas girl, not a California girl. And so, what I didn't know going into it is that it's a dark sky community. And so, for me being in Houston, Texas, like that's a big deal. I'm like, oh, I can actually see stars. I'm there. I'm there. So that was another but I second everything you said there was totally this sense of community. Like, I felt like I had friends after that. Very, it's intimate and warm. And yeah, it's just it's such a lovely conference. And I was impressed at the, like the scale the wide variety of experience. You know, there were lots of people there that had been doing astrology professionally for years. There were people that have just started, there are people that just do it for fun. So, anybody could go and feel comfortable. You know? And you're right. It's just not like a big corporate conference. So, and plus, you'll hear both of us talk if you want to. So, if you're interested in coming to hang out with us and learn more astrology topics, check out the Astro bash website. The link will be in the show notes. You can learn more about the headliner. that some of the favorites from last year are returning. And we have some really amazing we. Susanna did it, but we have some really amazing new people coming as well. So, so yeah, look at that join us it's September 26 through the 30th. Is that right?

 

Suzanne  5:15 

26th to the 29th. Yeah. 29th Okay, there you go.

 

Amy 5:20

So, end of September Libras.

 

Suzanne  5:23 

Right. Yes. Yeah. And the sky will be especially good. It's going to be I think just either a crescent or just kind of a Yeah, the moon will be in a smaller phase. So, the sky will be especially beautiful this year.

 

Amy  5:37 

That was funny. Like last summer, the sky. I mean, the moon was so full. You couldn't see anything else. It was beautiful. But like that was all you could see. So, it's gonna be different. This one, so. Okay, awesome. Well, Done. Done. Oh, that's so funny. Like we should do it for Leo. was just natural. Okay, so Suzanne done, Leo.

 

Leo traits, symbolism, and connection to creativity

Suzanna  6:03 

Oh, my gosh, Leo. Leo. Leo, Leo. Okay. All right. I'm so excited to do Leo. And I think because to me, Leo is one of the most misunderstood signs in the zodiac. So here, I want to set the record straight about a lot of Leo things. So, I think what most people know about Leo is, you know, it's when we look up at the night sky, and we look to the symbol, it's the, it's the lion, right? Okay. And the archetype is really that of the king or the queen, the performer. And that's, that's what people really think of when they think of Leo, they think of the person with this really big personality that maybe the theater kid, you know, the sometimes the attention hog, you know, like all of these kinds of just theatrical performer, you know, kinds of things, which sometimes can have a negative connotation, you know, and it's not to say that those things aren't true about Leo, they are but I'm really excited to get into the nuance of it, and also why they're true. I think why they're true is really, really important. Leo is ruled by the sun, okay, which I think is just, I mean, the sun is the most important, you know, planet in astrology, everything revolves around the Sun, like Leo thinks everything revolves around them, right? That kind of kind of speaks to that. And I love that the sun is that yellow or orange, and the line is kind of yellow or orange. My colors that I wore today are trying to embody that as well. I thought this looks a little royal to I don't know, yes. And it is a fixed fire sign. So, what that means fixed meaning it's right in the middle of the season, right in the middle of summer, when it is just hot. And we're just fully in summer, we just aren't here. We're here, all the fixed signs in the middle of the season, and they're just in the season. They don't want to change they are here. And this is our second Fixed sign that we've come in contact with. And it's a fire sign also the second fireside we're coming in contact with him fire meaning It's electric. It's fiery, it's energetic, it's bold. It's courageous. It's just like, it's life. Fire is life. So yeah, those that's the super small little nutshell there about Leo. Yeah.

 

Amy  8:20 

One of the things you told me in the past about Leo, also, and I don't think you said this, but if you did, I apologize was just that like Leo can be creative and playful.

 

Suzanne  8:30 

Absolutely. Yeah. Leo is here to create Leo is here to be playful. If you think of like childlike energy. You know that childlike joy. What does the child want to do? They want to go out, they just want to be joyful. They want to create, they love to do art, they love to put on little plays, they do everything they do is creating something new. And I think when we when we move through the Zodiac, you know, we've each time we talk about how we move through the Zodiac, you know, we come out of cancer season and cancers like in their little shell they're like feeling so emotional about everything they just want to hide away and they just want to feel all the emotions Leo's here to be like, Okay, I'm done with hiding. I want to be seen, you know, and they they've healed cancer has helped them to heal, which is now enabling them to shine and to create. This is this is the first step into creation. Because you know, with our last fire sign Aries, they went out there and they just they just boom with all this fire just went out there. But now Leo's got more nuance under its belt. Leo can now actually create things.

 

Amy  9:39 

And that makes sense. Yeah, there's a sense of destruction with Aries or

 

Suzanne  9:45 

Aries, because they just Yeah, and they just go without even thinking right untethered. Yeah, yeah. You know, and the other thing about creation that I think is so interesting, you know, I said it represents childlike joy, and also just represent children and General think of creating is what do we do we create children you know, and so the fifth house which is ruled by Leo or the sun is also you know, the house of the house of children if we if we want to understand our own children, we can look to our fifth house and it's the house of sex, but the house of sex in the way of creating children and procreation, which I think is very interesting. Yeah.

 

Amy  10:26 

Fascinating. I didn't realize the fifth house was the house of sex. Um,

 

Suzanne  10:30 

there's several house of sex but the fifth house yeah, the procreation one. Yeah.

 

Amy  10:35 

Fascinating. Oh, I wonder if that's I've got Jupiter there. I wonder if that's why we get pregnant so easily. Maybe? That's so funny. Okay, so Leo's the lion, I'm just I'm like trying to parse through every because you've said so many things. I'm lion, oh, orange, creativity, playfulness being seen because they're already healed. And I was thinking about the whole idea of creativity, slash creation, and how it just, it makes sense that the sun is the ruler because of this, like, all life is requiring light on you know, the planet, right? Like, the plants need light to grow. And so like, it just makes sense, that that's, that the suns or rulers think that's so beautiful. And I like the idea of I don't know, like, the idea of playfulness, I guess. Because I, you know, I see it associated with, you know, with children and playfulness and creativity. Like that makes sense. But I also like the idea of, like an adult, that might be playful. Yes. You know, because I'm so Capricornian and grumpy that like that's, that's a really interesting way to be somebody could be playful. Oh, that's funny. Well, so tell me. What do you Suzanne. What do you love most about Leo?

 

Leo energy - authenticity, vulnerability, and validation

Suzanne  12:02 

I love that it is the sign that allows us to, to really jump into who we fully are. I think I think for the first time, when we get to Aquarius, we're going to dive into a different type of conversation about our individuality. And Aquarius is the opposite sign to Leo. So, there's some, some connection there. But what Leo does, and this is this is kind of why I said we're gonna we're gonna dive into some nuance about Leo, Leo wants to shine. But the high road shining, the high road performer is somebody who is very, very authentic. It is someone who feels who they are, to their core, they've been through those lessons of the past, especially cancer, you know, and now they they're healed, and they're able to shine if you think of an actor on stage.

 

And if they're, if they're not vulnerable, if they're just going up there and reciting the lines and you don't see their soul it's not the best acting performance. Whereas when you are watching somebody whether it's acting singing, dancing, any kind of performance, you see their soul it can bring you to tears I want to cry right now just thinking about it. That's my all my cancer coming out, right? But I they can genuinely bring you to tears. And it's because they're baring their soul. And that is Leo authenticity, the highest form of Leo is just truly authentic, and they shine not because they're demanding to be to shine, but because their soul is buried and I heard one time you know, a queen walks into the room and does not demand attention. They just receive it simply because they're the queen. And that's the kind of Leo high road Leo energy that you have. You don't need to go out there and say, look at me, look at me, that's low road, radio energy and, and Leos can fall into that trap very easily.

 

You know, because I think that what Leo was here, actually, we talked last time about how each sign is really here to learn to do this thing. They're not actually born automatically knowing that they have a pretension to get good at it. The thing with Leo that I Another thing that I think is just really misunderstood is that they came into this life with really deep pain from prior lives. That can't Syrian kind of pain. And they're here to have fun. They're here. They're here to shine and have fun and be joyous and that's why they're just going to shine and hopefully bring joy not only to themselves, but to others as well. Yeah.

 

Amy  14:42 

As always, we prepare a bit of an outline, and then I take us off topic, and I'm sorry, we're doing it again. But I'm so because Leo is such a lovable sign like if it's

 

Suzanne  14:52 

high road high road. Yeah,

 

Amy  14:53 

it's very lovable. It reminds me that Enneagram seven like people just are drawn to sevens, right? So, I was thinking, are there any places in a chart where having Leo would be painful? Like I know you said if you have Leo, then you're coming in with trauma from a past life but like, not that it would be it's not bad to have any placement, any sign anywhere, but like, what are the placements that? What planets in Leo? If somebody had a planet in Leo, that it was more painful than positive? Like, what would that be? What would that look like?

 

Suzanne  15:29 

Yeah, you know, I think probably Well, for me, I actually have Saturn in Leo. So, I think that, but I also have Venus in Leo. So, I've, I'm like, I love attention so much. And also, it can be really, really hard for me, your Saturn is hard for you. And so having Saturn in Leo, or Leo and Saturn, other than that can be that can be challenging. You know, having, you know, your Leo be in the 12th house where it's very hidden, really in any of the water houses. It's

 

Amy  16:02 

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. That water is just going to put that fire right out. Who Okay,

 

Suzanne  16:08 

yeah, yeah. And, you know, so yeah, if we, if we combine it with, I mean, probably really any of the water, Planet signs, like any of that, I think that's where you're, you're really going to Leo is going to struggle a little bit more, you know, or if it's maybe like an intercepted house again, with difficult scene Leo wants to be seen, so anything that's making it difficult to be seen? is gonna be hard. Yeah.

 

Amy  16:41 

Oh, that's really helpful. That's really helpful. I just, I like, what Leo is one of the ones that I don't understand that much. You know, so, the, like, there's some other signs where I have some sort of intuitive Oh, they this person has that planet and that house out or whatever, you know, yeah. But the Leo, it just seems like such a positive sign. You know, it's kind of like everybody loves Jupiter. You know, like, I feel like everybody loves Leo. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, so what does, Leo I mean, they need to be seen? Yes. I feel like we've already answered that. That's what they need. They need to be seen. But I'm assuming they also need, like, a place to play a place to create. Yeah,

 

Suzanne  17:21 

yes, play to create too they want to be loved. I mean, I think that's, I think that's, that's maybe the most disguised part of the whole thing is that when Alia was coming out there and, and being big and shiny, not, they want the applause, they really, really, really want it. And they want it to so that somebody, so they can kind of get that proof that they're being loved. Because remember, they're coming in with that kind of Cancerian wounding, they've still got that there. And they kind of still need the proof a little bit that they're loved. And so, But the tricky thing is that if they're vulnerable, they will be loved. They'll get the applause; we'll get it all. But if they're not truly vulnerable, if they haven't gotten to that lesson yet, it'll come off as fake. And then they'll and then people will look at them and kind of roll their eyes at them. And then sadly, what tends to happen with them with Leo energy is that then they go more, more, look at me, look at me more, look, look what I can do. And then people just roll their eyes, and it just continues to get really bad. That's really Oh, energy can kind of go really wrong. And where they that's where they get really misunderstood. And it's, it's sad, because the person on the other end is not an understanding that this person really needs to be loved. They're not receiving it. And that's what they need. And they're getting the opposite. Right by their actions. Yeah.

 

Amy  18:53 

So, the thing that I'm contemplating is that Leo needs to be loved, by nature, they're seen, and those are not the same thing. And I was thinking about how if we if we thought about being seen, in terms of like fame, you know, like people that need to be seen some people in you know, in our culture, either we idolize people that are seen like that, or we kind of poopoo that, like some people, so many people want to be influencers. So many people want to be internet famous, right? And it's like, we have we kind of have judgment about needing to be seen or wanting to be seen. And so how interesting that Leo is sort of like a childlike energy. And I love that you said it comes back to love because of course it does. Like a child wants to be told that they're seen and loved. Yeah, they need that in order to feel safe. And so, it's not like I need to be seen internet famous. It's like, I need to be seen. Am I a person here? Am I real? Do I exist? Like I've done all this healing now here I am. Do you see me? You know, I love that. I'm there. to this episode of Oprah way back in the day, with Toni Morrison, and Toni Morrison says every child wants to walk into a room and see their parents’ eyes light up. Like that's what they want. And I feel like that's Leo, like poor baby Leo, like they just want to be loved. So, I'm not that we need to feel poor baby Leo. That's where I go. But I was just thinking about that idea of being seen and how right now, we just have a lot of judgment, that internet famous thing is that thing. So, I just really appreciate that you brought it back to being loved because I hadn't heard that. And that in conjunction with childlike energy and playfulness, like oh, okay, yeah. In the sense in, like, in the Toni Morrison example.

 

And from what I've heard about childhood psychology, it's like, when you're little, having people validate you is telling you that you're real, hmm. Because their feelings are so big. And we people would be like, oh, it doesn't hurt that bad, you're fine. You know, we're trying to make them feel better. But we're ghosting their feelings, and they don't feel real. And so, to think about, as you said earlier, the vulnerability and that how beautiful this is not where I thought Leo was, was gonna go. As soon as you said they need to be loved. I was like, no, wait.

 

Suzanne  21:30 

Yeah, that's and it's such a misunderstood sign. Really? Yeah.

 

Amy  21:38 

Yeah. Ah, okay. So, I'm going to take some stabs at like, what would Leo hate or avoid? And then I want you to add, or correct? Sure. Yeah. So, I think the obvious thing would be being ignored. It would avoid that. Absolutely. Um, they might avoid other Leo's like other people that are going to be in the spotlight, depending on the situation,

 

Suzanne  21:58 

I think. I think it depends, again, on the vulnerability factor. I think. I think if they're if they're feeling very authentic, then I think there's no reason for them to avoid them. But yeah, if they're, if they're not feeling authentic than anyone else is going to be a threat. So, I think that that can be true. Absolutely.

 

Amy  22:15 

Okay. Okay. And then the other thing I thought was just like anything that's too serious or too predictable. Absolute probably not be great.

 

Suzanne  22:23 

Yeah, absolutely. I

 totally agree with that. I think boredom. It just doesn’t want to be bored. Oh, yeah, that's true of all the fire signs. All the fire signs just need. You know, things.

 

Amy  22:36 

Yeah, that's why my fiery kid is always saying, that's boring. That's their number one complaint. That's boring.

 

Suzanne  22:44 

Oh, that's funny. Mm. Hmm.

 

Amy  22:47 

So, anything else that Leo would like, hate or avoid? Like, if I really want to woo a Leo what should I not do?

 

Suzanne  22:55 

What should you not do? Yeah, I Yeah. You already said ignore them? You know? Yeah, I think that's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm sure there's other things. But yeah, yeah.

 

Amy  23:12 

So, you started earlier, you talked about like, low road, Leo. And how it can be that like, oh, I need attention. So, I'm going to, I'm going to puff my chest or whatever, and it doesn't have the vulnerability. What, what other shadows? Does Leo need to navigate? Or is that like it?

 

Suzanne  23:30 

Yeah, I mean, I think we all kind of boils down to that same kind of thing. But you know, being overly dramatic, you know, I mean, but again, it's kind of the same thing, the need for approval, you know, if they, and again, if they're, if they're living in their authenticity, they don't need the need for approval as much. And that's where we get to Aquarius. But, but yeah, they, you know, the, the inauthenticity I just think is, is at the core of all of those Leo wounds, you know,

 

Amy  23:59 

Oh, got it. Like, yeah, I'll be whoever you need me to do in order for me to feel loved. Yeah. Okay. I love I mean; I love the examples that you gave about overdramatizing or perhaps, yeah. As, as being ways that the shadow would manifest in a real-life situation. That makes sense to me.

 

Suzanne  24:22 

Yeah, yeah. I just, I mean, making everything about themselves. You know, I mean, self-centered. You know, I mean, that's kind of kind of all goes that same route still. But yeah, yeah. Oh.

 

Amy  24:42 

I always get to this point where like; every sign is just a child and I feel sorry for them. Oh, that sorry. But like, I have this sense of compassion and understanding that I didn't have before we started the conversation. Oh, well, that's beautiful. Like I get to the heart opening part. And I'm like, Oh, yeah.

 

Um, I mean, which so I'm gonna take us back to Aries, because Aries was fire. And we talked about how it could sometimes be destructive, or warrior like. And whereas Leo's fire is much more towards creativity and playfulness. So, one of the questions that I like to ask you is like, what happens when we don't have enough, Leo? But I feel like, we probably have a good hang on that. But if you have

 

Suzanne  25:30 

no, I think you're right. Yeah, I think I think you you're gonna have issues with joy, you know, potentially, you know, you're gonna have issues with lack of creativity. You know, and I think Korea, I hear I want to stop on creativity for a minute, because I think creativity often gets thought of, as, you know, are you a good artist? You know, can you write a good story, you know, things like that. And, and I kind of want to, especially for me, I'm a horrible artist, if you saw me draw a picture, you think it was, you know, drawn by an eight-year-old, you know, and I come from a family of a lot of artists. And so, I always thought, well, I'm not creative, because I'm terrible at drawing a picture. You know, and I've come to realize as an adult, that creativity is, I mean, just so, so much bigger than just art. You know, it is it is we create so much. I mean, for me, I'm kind of I love, like technical things, I love to create databases. That's how I created the moon journal, you know. And so that was that was creation, even though it's in the technical world, it's not in the artsy world, but it's still creation, your creativity is just so much, so much bigger than the box that we tend to put it in, you know, the theater kids and all of this. I mean, and like we say, with every sign, every person has all 12 signs, you know, you have everybody has creativity in them. It's just how easy is it for you to access it? You know, and so, so yeah, when you're when you don't have that, that Leo as present in your chart, you know, okay, well really look to your chart and see, well, where is it? What house does it rule that might help you to help you to get there? And if you're a newbie, you know, probably talking to an astrologer or doing some Google research, you know, can really help you. But, you know, but yeah, beginning to kind of understand that you have creativity in you. Everybody does. Every human does. It's part of the human spirit. But what are you good at creating? Maybe you're like me, and your kind of a techie nerd, and you like to do Excel spreadsheets. And I do I love Excel. I can’t deny it.

 

Amy  27:43 

Funny. Yeah, I totally agree on the on the creativity thing. And you and I've had conversations because we both love dance. But I'm like, I need to choreograph. And you're like, I don't have that. Yeah.

 

Suzanne  27:54 

No, no, because I wear my Leo's stuff is, yeah, yeah, exactly. No, I have no interest in actually choreographing. Although in the minute, you put on a song, I'm gonna choreograph it like that. But I'm not gonna remember a thing.

 

Amy  28:08 

It's not. It's not like a creative process.

 

Suzanne  28:11 

It's nothing fancy. It's literally just tourmaline. Right?

 

Amy  28:18 

Well, another that I had. And um, so yesterday, I was listening to a podcast, Simon cynics optimist podcast, he was interviewing Scott Galloway, who I'm intrigued by Him, because He also seems like a grumpy old man. Okay. He's more anyway. So, they were talking about, like, the worst thing that ever happened to the United States was I don't remember what if it was the Soviet Union or whatever. But it was like, we didn't have a common enemy anymore. Right. And so, because we didn't have a common enemy, we made each other our enemies. Yes. And so, then I was thinking in terms of, like, what happens when we don't have enough Leo? I think, well, people like to have a common enemy, but they also like to have a common idol. That's so true, like, Swifties love to get together and like, be Swifties.

 

Amy  29:07 

Mm hmm. You know, so. And it's the same thing with, like, the royal family. Absolutely. There's so much culture around that. That I'm like, you know, the flip side of the internet famous, I'm like, oh, there's probably a lot more value in having that idol, somebody that we look, we all kind of look to are drawn to in a way. That is, it's a value that I don't understand and can name. So, I want to think about it.

 

Suzanne  29:36 

Yeah. And you know, I'm a big fan of Simon Sinek podcast, and I love it. He talks about that all the time. The fact that yeah, he hates that about humans that we do need an enemy. But he finds that to be true, and I happen to agree with him, unfortunately. But he doesn't ever talk about what you just pointed out. And I think that I you know, on one hand, maybe because it's obvious, like we all kind of know that we love the superstar, but I think that think that that could actually have a lot of nuance to his understanding of that is to really make to pair those together? Because, yeah, I think Leo is the perfect framework to talk about it. And because it's story, I think human beings are Wired for Story, which again, we're talking about Leo, we're talking about creating, creating a story, right?

 

And so, you know, in a story, what do you have? You have a good guy, and you have a bad guy. And so human beings have a problem.

 

Amy  30:27 

Yeah, yeah,

 

Suzanne  30:29 

we need that beginning, the middle and the end, and we don't know the end. That's when human beings get all whack a doodle, you know, and, and we need that we need to know who the bad guy is. Who do we do and his set? You know, and who do who do we applaud? And I think you're right. I think Taylor Swift and the royal family, and all of these celebrities give us that outlet to. Yeah, oh, it's I don't know. That's yeah, it's such a great conversation. Hmm.

 

Amy  30:58 

Fascinating. So, there's the obvious like, Leo needs to be seen, we've said that, but in addition to the obvious, what does Leo need from us? Like? I'm trying to woo the Leo, what is it that they need for me to feel loved? Yeah,

 

Suzanne  31:14 

they need for us to like, give them the space to be as big as they want. I think we've, oh, yeah, we've touched on this a little bit, that we kind of poopoo it when they're when they're demanding space, which, understandable. But maybe we can allow them to have that platform and to feel that love, and maybe we can applaud when maybe we can see through them a little bit. Maybe if we applauded even if we could see through them. Maybe they would learn to be more vulnerable? Maybe? I'm not sure.

 

That's an open question, I think. But um, you know, I think I think we need to appreciate their silliness more, I think that you know, because it is it is childlike. And I think as adults, we're told we gotta be serious. And we shouldn't be. Well, it's so interesting, because on one hand, we value us so much, right? Like other old celebrities, like doing Botox, and all of the things trying to look down, and we value that so much, but on the other hand, we're like, grow up, you're past 35 Don't wear you know, cut off shorts anymore, whatever. Which I think society is beginning to outgrow that. Like, I don't know if you ever used to wear that hat or watch that show. What Not to Wear? Oh, I mean, heck, yeah. Yeah, that was the funniest show. Well, I you know, Stacy London has come out recently. She used it on that show, say all the time, what not to wear if you're over 35. And she's come out hot and heavy and said I that was that was pretty foul on my part. I completely disagree with all of that. Wear whatever the heck you want. Yeah. And she's and she's also gone full gray. You know, so she's, she's really, I think embodied both of those ideas of that, like, here's my authenticity, I'm just going to be gray. And also, I'm going to wear a miniskirt. You know, age of 50 or however old she is. I don't know how old she is. But and that that's authentic. Right? And I think, you know, it's like for me as someone was Saturn and Leo. And for you as someone with a lot of Capricorn in your chart. Capricorn.

 

For those who don't know, Capricorn can kind of be the grumpy old man and Amy and I often talk about how sure her mood is in Capricorn. She's always kind of just wanted to have this old kind of energy, right? Well, for me, I've always wanted to have a very youthful energy and with my Saturn, anything where we have our Saturn, it sometimes takes us a minute to figure it out. And sometimes we're kind of a late bloomer, in that in whatever wherever we have our Saturn, we're a late bloomer. And so, for me Saturn in Leo is like, oh, you're a late bloomer and learning how to like actually to look yet another five Venus is there to, so I have it. And also, this gets complex. I don't know. Yeah, but I yeah, I think I don't even know where I was going with this. But, you know, yeah, they can we allow for the for the authenticity of I think Stacy Latinum is actually a great example here. Allow for the authenticity of the gray hair and the miniskirt at age 50. You know?

 

Amy  34:10 

Yeah, I think that that, that sounds so simple. But there really there are a lot of like, I have friends that would have been, they would have dressed a different way and not even necessarily more sexy, maybe more sparkly, or whatever. But like, they were told not to, you know, and whether that was because it was, quote, bad. Or if it was just like you're gonna stand out, like whatever it was, I think, the whole idea of allowing people to be authentic. I think we don't do that as much as we think that we do.

 

Suzanne  34:43 

Absolutely. I think we're getting better at it. I really do. But I think we've only recently started asking the question, and, and I, I look forward to the next, you know, 20 years or so where I think we'll get a lot better at it. But yeah, allow you from a young age to be the grumpy The Old Man and allow me at an old age to want to feel young, you know and be playful. I,

 

Amy  35:06 

I don't even understand an adult wanting to feel young. Like I logically I understand it, but in my bones I'm like, I don't get it.

 

Suzanne  35:18 

And I, firstly, I don't understand wanting to feel old. I'm like, It's a lie. That's easy. Yeah,

 

Amy  35:25 

listeners of the podcast, loves you, don't know, I kind of celebrate when I find new gray hairs. It's true. So, like, I literally feel like, I'm finally becoming myself. Like, I'm not gonna dye my hair gray, but I'm looking forward to the day when it's just mostly gray. If people just know.

 

Suzanne  35:42 

Right, and, and I'm the exact opposite. I'm I just turned 46. And I hardly I don't get any more Gray's. But I don't have a lot. I don't dye my hair. And I'm like, hey, man, look at me like No, great.

 

Amy  35:59 

I'm doing the layout stuff. Like, that's fantastic. It's fantastic. Oh, there was something else. I was gonna say no, I don't remember because you were saying such good stuff about authenticity? And oh, maybe it'll come back. Maybe it won't. Yeah. Oh. So, I have whatever it is, it's gonna bug me. The question was, like, what do they need from us? Authenticity, space. That was the other thing that I kind of already said. Like, we don't realize that we're not doing it. But um, I think for me, and again, this is from the Capricornian grumpy old man. Yeah.

 

For me, if there was a lot of Leo, and there is Leo in my household, sometimes I just feel like, I don't have time for that I have work to do. Absolutely. Capricorn would say that, you know, and I, I don't actually mean that. Like, if I slow down and thought about it, of course, I have time for that. Like, that's, we're all in this household together. And that's what I want to do for you. Right, but like, my default is like, I don't have time to watch you. Just be there. Just exist, you know what I mean? You know, so I think that there are I just like sitting in the question of how much are we providing space and allowing for authenticity. And I'm sitting here as a parent of some people with Leo energy and thinking, and I need to encourage like, they're it's such  what's the word? Sensitive stage? That's not what the word I'm going for it anyway. They're at it. They're at a young stage still, that I'm like, oh, I wonder how I can, like the creativity. We got that in spades. But I wonder how I can encourage the vulnerability, but also not necessarily the need that it would come from outside. But they're so young, they're not going to get it now. You know? Yeah, I leave it started on the Leo journey. And

 

Suzanne  38:00 

I think it comes down to what you went to earlier with the validation. I think, I think validating them, and more importantly than validating them is remembering not to invalidate them, which is kind of the same thing and kind of also not. But I think when we get invalidated, we absolutely we lose that authenticity, because you're right. I don't know. I don't know. Right. Right. Yeah. And it's, it's unfortunate because it's happened so often what? Well-meaning parents who just don't understand, you know, yeah.

 

Amy  38:41 

Ah, hmm. So, what would you say is the spiritual truth that Leo is here to embody?

 

Suzanne  38:47 

I think having the courage to be themselves

 

Amy  38:53 

Hmm. That's so beautiful. Because wasn't cancer like having the courage to feel all the feels basically like that? What did you say? We said some but we talked about courage with cancer a lot. Yes.

 

Suzanne  39:02 

Yeah. At the end, because yeah, cancer just, I think prepares you for Leo. So well, I think we talked quite a bit how that's my favorite bridge between the two signs is Leo and I think that courage is more obvious with Leo. But it's there. It's there for cancer a lot. And it's, it's the thing that ties the two together.

 

Amy  39:25 

Yeah. The courage to be ourselves. That's what you said. Yeah. To be authentic to Yeah, yeah. So fascinating. This is way off topic. But here you go. Yeah. Cuz I was thinking about, like, this generation that's younger than me that all of the norms about gender and relationships and sexuality are, they're flying out the window, right, right. And I was thinking about like, polyamory is like really popular. It's much more popular than it was for  my Generation, and I know some people that are in polyamorous relationships and many of them are not sexual. Okay? And I was thinking about like, well, then am I in a polyamorous relationship with Suzanne?

 

Like, I love you, does that mean we're in a relationship? Like I anyway, so I was just thinking about, like, if that hadn't been a norm that like, I'm gonna marry this person and then these are my friends and those are our roles. Like, it's hard to know what's authentic, I guess is kind of what I'm getting to.

 

Suzanne  40:34 

Yeah, I think that's absolutely true. And I think, I think that's where, you know, going back to Capricorn, Capricorn sets our structures and our rules and all of those things in society, Capricorn or Saturn, kind of the same energy there. You know, and some of those have, have blown out the window with Pluto and Capricorn. And it's, it's just a fascinating question, because I think that sometimes when we understand we're not sometimes always when we understand the rules, it makes things easier to do. And so, Capricorn and Saturn are here to help us understand those rules. Pluto being the destruction was here to kind of destroy them so that we can rebuild, and I just think that right now we are definitely in that be rebuilding phase and relearning and you know, Pluto moved into Aquarius, we've talked about how Leo is. Leo and Aquarius are opposite you. Authenticity really sits with Aquarius. We learned about it first and Leo. But Aquarius. They're the master of authenticity. And Pluto's now and Aquarius here are here to guide us on that journey towards that where we figure out what yeah, what does that mean? I think we're sitting deep, deep, deep in those questions. Not only the one you just mentioned, but I think of so many more.

 

Yes. And I don't think it's clear. I do I have often wondered to oh, if I, if I were a youth today, what would I call myself? Would I be would I be something different? You know? I don't know. Yeah, everything else? Sorry? What? Yeah, I was not acceptable.

 

Amy  42:10 

At all. Yeah, no, no.

 

Suzanne  42:17 

I'm the so blah, blah, blah, the words.

 

Amy 42:17 

So, you said that authenticity really sits with Aquarius. And I thought, oh my god, that's so interesting. I haven't thought about them being opposites before. Because one of the things I've heard you say about Aquarius is like they don't give an F what people think like, you know, it's So Leo, of course, is all about having what other people think, oh, I had never actually put that together.

 

Suzanne  42:41 

Yes, that's exactly right. And that's why whenever we're talking and opposite, you're gonna have opposites don't get each other then look at the other one. Like you're crazy. But at some point, they meet in the middle. And that's where Leo and Aquarius meet in the middle is their authenticity. It's just, it's just that. Yeah, yeah. Leonis the applause Aquarius. No, various has done with it. They're like I know I'm who I am. If you don't like it.

 

Amy  43:12 

Oh, wow. Oh, Oh, wow. I can't wait to fall in love with Aquarius, because I don't get them either. That's later. Okay. So, what would bring? You know, I always want to come back to like, spiritually, we said they're here to embody being themselves and authenticity. What would bring Leo a deeper connection? What does Leo need in order to connect with spirit divine energy? God, what strengthens their spiritual, spiritual core? Yeah,

 

Suzanne  43:39 

I think when their heart is just fully open, and it kind of goes back to the vulnerability but heart opening, you know, I mean, the lion is all about the heart, right? The courage of the lion, the heart of the lion, you know, and, and that's, that's, I think, what it is when they are fully in touch with that love that resides inside their heart. And they know who they are. I think that I think that that's what they are in their highest spiritual plane. You know, and they are just such a beautiful loving sign. Yeah, here to bring us so much joy and when they're, when they're tapped into that joy. Yeah, it's infectious. It's infectious. And they are absolutely connected to a higher source when they're tapped into that joy. genuine joy.

 

Amy  44:23 

Oh, well, that makes all the sense, doesn't it? Yeah. Okay. So, for them they really need to be themselves. Yes. That a certain extent. Yeah. Which is technically is true for all of us, like being ourselves is the way that we connect but different Lee I would think with Leo, absolutely.

 

Suzanne  44:39 

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

 

Amy  44:48 

I've had more thoughts than I've had flow words. That lots of Oh, I remember. Okay.

 

Suzanne  44:56 

So Aries Fire sign. Leo fire sign.

 

Amy  45:05 

I was thinking about that Leo has been through the evolution of Aries and Taurus and Gemini and Cancer and because it's coming off of cancer which is such as sweet sensitive at its best open sine would you characterize Leo is being warm and compared to Aries yet or is that an overstatement?

 

Suzanne  45:27 

No, that's absolutely true. Leo again, again I wrote Leo. Yes.

 

Amy  45:33 

Yeah, absolutely warm, warm.

 

Suzanne  45:35 

I want to go back to the lion. You know, looking each other Yes, yes, yes. Yes. I mean, like, you know, a lion is the fiercest creature out there, right? I mean, at least archetypal Lea kind of is the king of the jungle, you know, all of these kinds of things. And so, it's a terrifying I don't necessarily want to come in contact with the lion. But there's something about a lion that is just so warm, actually, you know, and maybe it's the Lion King that has that, that in our heads, you know, I don't know what it is. But there is something about a lion compared to a tiger, or a cheetah or any other big cat. You know, or any other jungle animal. Really? I don't. Can you think of another jungle animal that feels more warm than a lion?

 

Amy  46:20 

No, because most of those big cats are individuals like cheetahs and stuff, they don't they don't do family tribe things the way lions do. Here it is. I have a child that's obsessed with big Wildcats. Yeah. The tire of a jaguar, I got you. So yeah, I think that there is that, that warmth? With which is interesting, because we have it as like, needing to be seen. Okay, I get I got there. At first, I was gonna say, well, it doesn't make sense that, that they need to be seen because they're in a tribe, and all the other lions are independent. But of course, you have to have a tribe in order to be seen so and it goes back to the statement about the Queen when she walks into the room. She does not demand to be seen. She is seen simply because she is the queen the same with a lion. They don't they don't need to demand it. They are just they're so regal. How can you not look at a lion? Yeah, you know, your statement earlier. So, we talked last time about how I think the crab and the cancer is just the best example in terms of the zodiac and the metaphor. I think that's the best one. Where I get hung up on the lion is like the fierceness

 

Suzanne  47:38 

Oh, no, I think that that's definitely true. Because courage we have, you know, yeah. Leo is so bold and courageous. And, and so, yeah, I mean, and but they're gonna do it in the name of their tribe of their pack. Yeah. You know, and so. Yeah.

 

Amy  47:59 

So, I'm laughing because, because one of the things my child made me watch recently, I don't do violence as you know, right. So, this child is fine with violence. But so, she made me watch this video. And it's real. These are not cartoons. This is a real documentary video. And there's this crocodile. There's some dead animal all the lions are on the bank eating the animal and this crocodile wants it. And this you know, the king of the jungle the male lion once they call the male, the patriarch. I don't remember what it's called. But my poor kid is like, Come on, mom. Just comes up and like start swatting at this crocodile. And I'm like, just tell them to run. This thing is huge. This crocodile is huge. Right? Like, you've got to be crazy lying. But it You're right. It was very brave, and it was in protection of the herd. Yeah. Okay, Courage makes sense. Let's see. I'm glad I asked that question. I felt sort of silly. I was like, I don't understand the fierceness, but I'm know I'm glad I asked that question because I wouldn't have put that together. Yeah.

 

Suzanne  49:04 

You know, and it takes courage to perform like for an actor on stage. That's courage.

 

Amy  49:17 

That's true. Absolutely. It's so funny. How did I already forget about courage like we started with that and I just already I got to the like the little kid and I got lost Yeah. Well, um, anything else that you want to say anything. I didn't ask you about Leo before we move into the season.

 

Suzanne  49:34 

No,

I think I think we covered it I think yeah, it's Yeah, good.

 

Amy  49:40 

Good. I've accomplished my goal of falling in love every time that's the goal and I got there easy this day. We get to Aquarius that's really hard for me. Sad Sajid Aquarius. We'll see ya. Um, okay, so what's going on this season? Okay. All right.

 

Mercury in Virgo and Entering Retrograde 

Suzanne  49:55 

Let's talk about it. So, the Sun enters Leo on July 28. Second, early, early, early in the morning, July 22. So, yeah, that is when we enter into Leo season. And then we've got Mercury entering into Virgo shortly thereafter on July 25. Okay, so all of our Mercury's our thoughts, our communication, so we're gonna be very technical, very analytical, we'll get into Mercury next time or not Mercury Virgo next time. But, uh, but yeah, we'll start being a little technical. And then we've got Venus on August 4, then moving into Virgo. So yeah, so again, we're, we're gonna be even more technical during Leo season. On that same day, August 4, mercury goes retrograde dumped on DOM. So, um, so yeah, and I want to just give a little, a little advertisement about Mercury Retrograde, if you will, because I do, yes, another pre misunderstood, misunderstood thing. And in the world of astrology people think, oh, no, everything is gonna go wrong. And it's not to say that things won't go wrong. Okay, but what mercury, Mercury Retrograde, first of all, from a scientific perspective, the planet Mercury does not actually move backwards. So that's, that's one misunderstood thing. It's just from our perspective, from Earth, the degrees start to move backwards. So, it's all about the degrees. So, imagine, you know, it's at a certain degree, and then all of a sudden, the degrees start moving backwards. We've already done that. We've already been through those two, we were just there yesterday, we were just there, right? A week ago, we were just there, Mercury now. But going back in those degrees is giving us a chance to rewind, redo things, okay? And that's why things start to go haywire because we're being forced to rethink things. All right, when something goes wrong, you didn't think that through well enough. Here it is for you again, you know, and so when things go wrong, I think, stop, pause and think, oh, what did what do I need to learn here? Because it's not, it's not just, you know, the email going to the wrong person. You know that that's just so frustrating. It's not just the Oh, Mercury's in retrograde. That's so annoying, and you move on, right? Know what happened here. What do I need to rethink? You know, and so it just, it wants us to slow down and wants us to redo some things. It's not so terrifying. You know, it really isn’t. As long as you are conscientious about thing. A lot of people will say don't sign contracts during Mercury retrograde. I'm not one of those people. I don't I don't believe in allowing astrology to rule your life. I just think that if you need to sign a contract during Mercury Retrograde, double check everything triple check it like just be very, very conscientious about things. So other astrologers will tell you,

 

Amy  52:48 

can I ask you a question about Mercury retrograde? So, let's say so Mercury goes into Virgo. And then it goes retrograde. Let's say for this example, that it's still retrograde in Virgo. So, at that time, like I had this vision of me going back in time, and just watching myself of like, what was I thinking? And what was I doing? And what was I thinking? Yeah. Is it that literal? Like, would you literally reflect on like, how was I thinking in Virgo season? Or like, how would you do that? If you wanted to reflect on your thinking, how could you do that intentionally? Yeah,

 

Suzanne  53:23 

I think absolutely going. I think that for most people, they're not going to be so intentional about it. Right? Well, yeah, hopefully, they're doing it because there's an energy source. Yeah. But if you're wanting to do it intentionally, yes. I think go back to those moments. What was I thinking? How can I shift my perspective, Mercury is all about perspectives. And it was Mercury wants you to see a lot of perspectives. So, you know, how can I do that? And especially Yeah, Mercury in Virgo being so technical? Yeah. And you know, and Mercury rules Virgo Mercury rules Virgo and Gemini both and so it's like, okay, what technical details here? Did I miss? What you know, analytical details did I miss what Virgo is also about service? You know, it's so how can I serve myself or others that are Yeah, I wasn't doing a good job serving people or myself here and health. Know those kinds of questions. But the interesting thing is that it's gonna go retrograde and guess what's going to happen it's going to go back into Leo. Okay, so on August 14, it moves back into Leo. And then of course when it goes direct, it'll go back through do all those degrees back their Virgo eventually get to Virgo again. So yeah, yeah.

 

Amy  54:41 

I think it's interesting that I hadn't thought about Mercury ruling Gemini and Virgo because they're both mutable signs. So, in terms of Mercury Retrograde, it's like we're literally going back and going well, do I want to think this, or do I want to think that like, how did that go? Like that's so immutable, you know, that's like that. fasten it. Okay, and I'm sorry I took us on the tangent of Mercury Retrograde but yeah, so August 14. It's gonna go direct effect towards Virgo.

 

Suzanne  55:09 

Yeah, well, I don't it's not gonna go into Leo season. Oh, it's just it's gonna go back into Leo. And then I don't date or what? Oh, I do oh I don't know when it's gonna go retrograde actually. No, wait, wait, wait, hold on looking at my notes here August 28 is when it'll go direct. Okay, yeah so August was only retrograde through the 28th is the retrograde period? Yeah.

 

Amy  55:34 

Oh, that's not bad. Yeah, yeah, not that it's bad anyway but people always panic

 

Suzanne  55:37 

people always panic it yeah don't panic, don't panic and don't just blow it off either. I mean when I say blow it off, I mean don't when the bad things happen don't blow it out it's Mercury Retrograde

 

Amy  55:48 

well, like of all the planets to go retrograde Mercury makes the most sense. It wants to take different perspectives it wants to learn Ido like I don't know, I just I think that's fascinating. Yeah, okay. Yes, I do real this next transit.

 

Jupiter square Saturn transit

Suzanne  56:03 

You're good, you're good. And then we've got we've got kind of a big transit. We've got Jupiter square Saturn on August 19. Oh, yeah. Normally, I don't I don't go into a lot of those types of trends that they happen literally every single day, you know, Sun square moon, or I don't know, whatever. Right? Well, suns or wherever it is. Yeah, anyway. But you know, you know, but when we're talking about the outer planets, Jupiter. This it's a more important one, you know, because it's, it's a little bit longer lasting because Jupiter moves slower. So, it's, it's, I mean, it's, it's affecting us now, to be honest, you know, it's not going to be exact until August 19. But it, it stays around longer, you know, and so, so I think it's, it's, it's more important to pay attention to one like that, and Jupiter square Saturn, what that would be, you know, Jupiter is the planet of expansion. Saturn is the planet of rules and restriction, you know, and so to have a squaring energy, meaning that they're at a 90-degree angle, you know, meaning there's friction there at that 90-degree angle between our expansiveness and our, you know, our set of rules. So, I think it's a time when we're, we're kind of questioning those two things, you know, together and how, how big do we want to be Jupiter? Yeah, versus what kind of rules do we have? Yeah.

 

Amy  57:31 

And do you mind sharing? What sign will they be in Jupiter and Saturn?

 

Suzanne  57:37 

Yeah, yeah. So, Jupiter is in Gemini right now. And Saturn is in Pisces? So, so yeah. And those are both those mutable energies. And that's why when anytime we've got a square or an opposition, you're always going to be dealing in the same modes. So that makes sense. Yeah, so Jupiter, or Gemini and Pisces, they're, they're squared energy, those two signs don't really get along. And then the reason for that is that you know, Gemini is you know, a kind of analytical while so its Gemini is curious. It's open minded. It wants to know all the things it's out there. It's like a little Energizer Bunny socializing, you know, and just like wants to get just the gathering of information I'm gathering all over the place. You know, in Pisces is all about letting go. Pisces is like, cares. Like let go. You don't Gemini sweet Gemini you don't understand like, like, none of it matters. We're all connected and, in the ether, and none of what you're trying to do the information you're trying to amass none of it actually matters. You know, those two ideas kind of pretty friction against each other.

 

Amy  58:41 

We'll have to do a separate episode just on Saturn and Pisces because I'm like, I don't understand that. That's its own its own thing. If you write a blog or anything about that, let me know. Okay, so that was August 19. Yeah. Any other transit?

 

Moon Transits

Suzanne  59:00 

Yeah, we've got the moon transits, which I think it's so funny. I said, when I was like, oh, I don't get into you know, a sudden Sun square moon or whatever, which I do every single time because those are actually the moon phases.

 

So, yes, yeah, sorry for that error on that one. I meant to say like, you know, a sun square Jupiter or something like that. But anyway, that's beside the point. I and the reason why a lot of people poopoo the moon phases, to be honest, for the exact reason that I just said, is that well, it's such a short, it's such a short event, you know, and here's why. And

 

Amy  59:31 

you've heard me be grumpy old man about it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Do I have to do it every month and now that the moon's going quarter do I have to do the quarter thing to like, come on? I don't want to do that.

 

Suzanne  59:44 

Yeah, here's why I love the moon phases, despite the fact that I don't dive into any of those other transits hardly at all. Um, because I think we are supposed to, I think that the moon and the sun, those are the are luminaries, meaning those are the bodies that we see constantly, you know, back before we You had modern technology, you know, clocks and, you know, light bulbs and things like that. Yeah, we lived by the moon.

 

And we, that's how we, and we understood our seasons by the sun, you know, when the sun was doing and we understood the concept of a month, based on the moon. And we understood that we understood the energy that goes along with that. And I think that we had a greater respect for the planet, when, when we were so tied to the fact that of what our Sun is doing and what the moon is doing. And that, to me is very beautiful. And something that's been lost, it's a little harder to deny what the Sun is doing. We do we do certainly live by the seasons better than we live by the moon; I think we've all but forgotten the energy of the moon. And I just think it's just to me, it's just beautiful. And I think that if we pay attention to those subtle flows, that there's, there's beauty there, and there's growth there that we are just flat out ignoring. And I think it's a chance for us to ask these questions on a consistent basis of ourselves. You know, the New Moon is the time for when we want to work on manifesting what we're always wanting to manifest as human beings. We're always wanting to grow; we're always wanting to create new goals. This is a new moon is a time of the month where you can conscientiously say, hey, what do what do I want to work on right now? How do I want to grow?

 

Well, a full moon is a time when you want to begin to release and there's, there's some debate about whether you actually want to release on the full moon or with the waning moon after the full moon, you know, but whichever, either on the day or after, to me it's irrelevant, right. Um, and so I think we can always find things to release so that we can grow and if you, I just think the cycle is beautiful, and I just think it's part of the human spirit and we've lost it and that's why I love those. Those cycles, so, so with that, I'll go into what we're dealing with here. Um, so yeah, our first moon phase is a last quarter moon remember, we had two full moons in cancer season. Two full moons in cancer season.

 

Amy  1:02:03 

And I love a cancer moon. It's such a double tree.

 

Suzanne  1:02:06 

Yes. And actually, what Oh, cancer season, but they were Capricorn moons, because oh, well, because they were opposite.

 

Amy  1:02:12 

At least this grumpy.

 

Suzanne  1:02:16 

So, we've got Yeah, you've got both of those energies. So now in Leo season, we're starting with a Last Quarter Moon in Taurus. So now, we're going to be dealing all with fixed signs as we go through the moon phases. So, our first one last quarter moon and Taurus on July 27. And then we have got a new moon in Leo on August 4. So again, new moons time for manifesting that the new moon and Leo, we've got the sun and Leo so our egoic bodies and our emotional bodies lined up in that Leo energy of wanting to be seen. So, ask yourself questions like, what do I want to manifest so that I can fully be seen and authentic and shine? Those are the kinds of questions that you'd want to ask yourself about the fact your, your new moon intention. And then we've got after that the First Quarter Moon in Scorpio, which is on August 12. And, and then a full moon in Aquarius on August 9, team. And so yeah, if you're looking for a chance to journal along with those, you can find my moon journal completely for free. You know, and you can journal along with the phases of the moon. And if you want a step up from that, you can sign up for the text messages that go along with that, where I'll tell you all about, you know, what, are we gonna bring that up?

 

The Moon in one person's chart

Amy  1:03:40 

Well, do you want to talk about it? I do. Because when you were, oh my god, everyone. So, I look at my chart, and I'm like us a little overwhelming. But anyway, because when you were talking about what are you? What do you want to manifest? Yeah, and for that part, Moon is gonna be in Leo. And I was trying to think, what is Suzanne gonna message me. And I was trying to remember where Leo is in my chart, because I don't have any planets there. I couldn't remember. Like, what? Because I'm in the paid level, you'll send it to me, you'll be like, this is where Leo is in your chart. So, these are the questions you should be asking yourself. So, I was trying to figure out, if I paid attention to the moon, could I even figure out those questions for myself or not?

 

So okay, so for me, I'm not gonna put you on the spot. But for me, the moon is gonna be in the 11th house, which I don't have any planets. I don't think a lot about the house. But would it be in the 11th? Or the 10th? Or the 12? Because depending on depending on the degree it could be, it could be the 10th.

 

Suzanne  1:04:37 

Yeah, I don't have the degrees in front of me. So, I'm not sure what that is. But

 

Amy  1:04:45 

But yeah, so if the new moons in Leo and that energy is encouraging us to manifest. So, then I would be asking myself, like, let's assume it's in the 10th house. How do I want to create either mansion are creativity and playfulness with my career my reputation because of 10th house, something like that. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. If you did it, it would be better.

 

Suzanne  1:05:13 

Basically, what you decided, but I'd maybe add some nuance to it.

 

Amy  1:05:15 

Yeah. Yeah. It would be nuanced and more poetic. I'm still at the like, astrology is algebra phase of like, if you add this sign and you add that house,

 

Suzanne  1:05:27 

this is very mathematical it is, is.

 

Amy  1:05:29 

So yes, I really encourage everybody try the free version of the moon journal. Because even just knowing that generic, this is what the Sun is doing, or the moon is doing whatever the moon excuse me, oh, this is what the moon is doing is helpful. But knowing where it's really calling for you and your chart. It makes so much more sense. Yeah. And I was thinking also about like my resistance to keeping up with the moon cycles. I think a lot of it is just because I live in Houston, and I don't see the night sky. Hmm. I really think that's part of it. I don't feel when I when I feel like I can see the moon, so I have a different relationship to the moon than I do to the stars. But there's a lot of times when if I'm looking at the moon, and I'm not driving and I just take a second, which I do every month at least like I'll stand still for a second just connect with the moon.

 

I do feel like there's it's, it's not like a shedding like, it's not like stuff I was carrying is no longer there. But I'm just like not in it. Yeah, in a way. Um, I think there is something about the idea of the Moon's power and trying to because in our in our natal chart, how would you describe what the moon does in our birth chart?

 

Suzanne  1:07:02 

Yeah, the moon is our emotions. It's the hidden parts of ourselves, though. We keep inside it's our mood. If you want to know how to be happy in life, they say, do your moon that'll keep you happy? Because it's our mood. Yeah, mood moon.

 

Amy  1:07:20 

What you said exactly what I needed to hear about, like, it's the hidden parts of us, there's something about when I take a second to connect with the moon, that I feel like I'm connecting with the parts of myself, that I don't often make time for. Yeah. And it's not like I deny them, but you know, they're like, they're, they're not on the surface, it's like, I do go within a bit more.

 

Suzanne  1:07:47 

I love that I and that's, that's, that's my hope, is like with all of my work, that's what I want for humanity is for us all to feel that connection, to the moon, to the sun to the seasons to Earth. I think that's literally my whole goal is just; I want us to feel connected to all of that. I think we as human beings were meant to be connected to this beautiful earth and all everything outside of it. If we can do that, I just it's, I get gushy over it, because just so beautiful. So, I love that you take time every month to do that. It's I mean, it's not it's

 

Amy  1:08:23 

always a different phases, right? You know what I mean? Like, it's not like, oh, the only time there's a full moon, but it's just like, there's usually at least once a month where I'll actually be outside at nighttime, which in and of itself is rare. Because I'm grumpy and I go to bed every night whenever outside at nighttime. I'm like, Oh, Hello, friend. Um, and I had one other observation that I hadn't made before. Where you were saying when it's a full moon, it's always in the opposite sign. Yes. And so, I was thinking how interesting that the full moon is asking us to release. And so, it's almost like, the moon is asking us to let go of the opposition so that we can be more of what the Sun is calling us to be.

 

Amy  1:09:12 

Yeah. Yeah. So, let's see with Aquarius is like I'm trying to do the math. So, like, a quick the full moon is gonna be an Aquarius. We're gonna try to be more like Leo. So, we're gonna really be releasing. I already forgot how they're opposites now.

 

Suzanne  1:09:27 

Aquarius doesn't, they're, they're fully who they are. And they don't need applause. They're, yeah, they're rebellious. They don't they don't need an audience at all. Okay, but they're the gallery like people.

 

Amy  1:09:53 

Interesting. Yeah. Okay, so we might be releasing that, that sort of that, like, I don't give an F, you know, yeah. So that we can have the validation that Leo needs. Yeah. If, like any part of us that is so rebellious and that doesn't, who cares what people think? Like we might be releasing some of that. Yeah. And can be the vulnerable courageous person.

 

Yeah, I think so. I think that's okay. And that makes sense because if you if you didn't care what people think you wouldn't be vulnerable. Yeah. Okay. All right. I'm getting there. Talk astrology to me Suzanne.

 

Amy  1:10:32 

Well, this was so beautiful. So, we know people can find you, she dances under the moon.com. Definitely check out the moon journal. There are a free version people you should be doing it. Also, Astro bash, comm have been with us? Yeah, come watch me be grumpy and watch Suzanne be useful. And somehow, we make it work. I mean, I'm not that I'm not actually grumpy people that know me or not. But I that would be like my knee jerk reaction. And then I've just learned to evolve past that. But yeah, come join us at Astro Bash.

 

And I think I think that's it. Anything else? Yeah. All right. Yes, it was so fun.

 

And we're gonna come back and we're gonna fall in love with Virgo next time to another misunderstood sign. Yes. Oh, and I also just wanted to mention, because I'm doing you know, the astrology series with Suzanne, the Enneagram series with my parents. And for both of these, we're gonna have like a finale episode at the end. So, if we misspoke or something, it'll give us a chance to correct or add, but also, if you have questions, or if I've been like, Hey, I'm really curious cancers. Are you patriotic? You know, like, if you want to write in and tell us anything, I would just love to know how this is helping or what you're more curious about and know that we will have a place for that. So, if you are a Leo, and you want to give us some feedback, or ask us some questions, please do so.

 

Suzanne  1:11:59 

We'd love to hear him. Yes.

 

Amy  1:12:02 

And you're on Instagram, right?

 

Suzanne  1:12:03 

Yes, I am. I'm not very active. I have a love hate relationship with social media. So right now, but I'm there to interact

 

Amy  1:12:12 

with you. They could give me a message. They could send you a message or whatever. Like, you can't even do that with me. I'm so grumpy. Like, use the contact form. I'm just I'm so kidding. You can email me directly but still. Yeah. So, if people wanted to interact with you on Instagram, talking to find her there as well. So yeah. All right. Well loves. Thank you so much for being here and giving me a good reason to spend an hour with Suzanne every month. And we'll see you soon for Virgo, Loves.

 

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