For the Love of Aries! 

In this episode, astrologer Suzanne Platner joins Amy Hageman to explore the zodiac sign of Aries and its associated season. They discuss the warrior archetype of Aries, its passionate and courageous traits, as well as potential shadows like selfishness. Amy and Suzanne also cover expressing anger constructively, connecting with Aries energy without strong placements, relationships, and major astrological events during Aries season, including an upcoming total solar eclipse.

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Suzanne: The human spirit has to have a fight in them or else we're going to be, we're never going to be able to be our authentic selves. We're never going to make decisions that are best for us.

Amy: This season on the living out love podcast, we are focusing on you, who you are, what motivates you, what you're here to contribute, and how you can expand will be utilizing my leadership skills and spiritual connection. diving deep into the Enneagram and astrology. Listen every week to become intimately aware of yourself. Only then can you heal and grow. Let's get to work loves. All right, well, welcome to living out love. I have one of my besties Suzanne Plattner with me this week. This is our first episode where we are diving into a zodiac sign. I'm so stoked about it. And if you are new to the podcast, you're new to Suzanne, there's a link to some of our other episodes in the show notes for you to check her out. But I wanted to dive into each zodiac sign because while we're all going to benefit and so I'll let Suzanne talk to you later on in the podcast about if you do have Aries in your chart, if you don't have Aries in your chart, what's that like? But these archetypes these signs are a part of our lives for all of us. And so I think we would all benefit from knowing more about them. So welcome to airy season and welcome Suzanne,

Suzanne: thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here talk about Aries get into Aries season. It's a really exciting time.

Amy: Okay, so why is it exciting time? What do we love about Aries? We

Suzanne: love about Aries. Oh, gosh, there's so much to love about Aries. So just to just to back up just a smidge. Aries is a cardinal fire sign, okay? And the archetype is that of the warrior. And so what that really means is that they're really really good at starting things. This is kind of the the cardinal piece of it, any cardinal sign is good at initiating activity, and Aries is great at initiating activity, we're going to talk about that. And the fire part means that there are real passionate, they've got like a real spark of energy. So we're gonna we're gonna get into that too. And so the warrior, we all have a warrior within us. And so during Aries season is really a great time to tap into that warrior. And what do we love about Aries Aries, it's the fire of life, you guys it is literally birth, it is literally birth, it none of us would be here without Aries, this season of spring would not be here without Aries. So spring equinox and the beginning of Aries season those happen at the same time. Aries season is what ushers us into that the new astrological year. And it is what you know if you think of it as a fire sign, and it's what brings a life literal life to everything. It's what is that little spark of fire underground, that causes everything to come to life, all of the flowers, the vegetables that are going to be there, the trees blooming, it's it's just, it is a fire that burns within each and every one of us and within this earth.

Amy: That's gonna be tough to beat that for all the other signs. Wow, the original spark. Wow. So I feel like you kind of covered I was going to ask, what do we love about Aries in general, like as a sign in Aries season. So how do you think people might embody the Aries? sign that fire?

Suzanne: Yeah, you know. So Aries really seeks to go like I said, they're a cardinal sign, which means that they want to initiate things they want to go, they're action oriented, they're always on the move. It's just an incredibly instinctual sign that like gut feeling that you get that's real real quick. That's Aries. And if you follow that gut feeling instead of doing all the research and all of the things, you're that's you leaning into into your areas, okay, so really, it's just it's the immediate split second decision that tells you yes or no, let's go. There's literally no thinking with areas if there were thinking and the involvement of creation. It just would never get there. There'd be there to be too much thinking, Well, you know, that's what Libra is for. Libra is here to give us the balance weighing all the things and of course we'll talk about it Libra is Aries opposite sign, which is why they're so different. Right? So So yeah, yeah, that's that's to me. That's one of the best ways. I mean, there's there's a whole lot of other things you can you know, Aries is such a physical sign, working out things like that moving your body getting into your body. Yeah, get that fighter within you.

Amy: Oh, that's really intro Seeing, would you So would you say that Aries is an aggressive sign? Yes.

Suzanne: Okay, yes, absolutely a very aggressive sign. And of course, you know, aggressive can have sort of a negative connotation. And you know, it doesn't have to be we can use assertive, you know, to say it and more of a more of a positive turn. But again, Aries doesn't think they're just gonna go forward and like, do the thing. And Aries is kind of a selfish sign. So they're also just, they're gonna say their point of view, they're just gonna do it. And we'll see how it turns out.

Amy: Yeah, so I'm thinking about the literal metaphor of fire. Like, I've just, I'm, in my mind, I'm visualizing fire. And I'm like, when fires contained, it's life giving, when fire is out of control. It's life taking,

Suzanne: yes. Oh,

Amy: I'm assuming that we have that with all of our signs as well, would we have that with Aries?

Suzanne: Very much. So Aries is a very extreme sign. So your example is really a good one. You know, when an Aries is really someone who has some strong Aries energy in their chart, when they're really embodying that, well, they're going out, and they're first of all, they're probably going to be really a physical person, they're going to get out there and do something physically, you know, like, sprinting would be a really great thing for Aries to do, because it's just so fast, and it's just high adrenaline, they're gonna get their blood pumping really fast. But even something, you know, salsa dancing would be just another thing that again, they think of that fire. So those are some physical movements. Maybe they're a litigator. And so they're in their job, they're just constantly, you know, like, battling, you know, in the courtroom, maybe, you know, you can have anything that gets Aries, blood pumping, you know, is going to be the good thing. Now, if they don't have a channel, where they're able to get their blood pumping, that's when it's going to explode, it's not going to be good. And one of two things can really happen, you know, they can either really, really tune into their anger. And, and it can get completely out of control, they can piss off a lot of people, they can create a lot of enemies, or an end, I read recently, you know, when your anger is so out of control, a lot of times it goes inwards, and turns into depression. And so they can actually their fire can just be completely burned out. And they end up really, really depressed because they're not, they're not using that natural fire that they have.

Amy: I hadn't thought about, I hadn't thought about asking that question. And like, it's just so funny. In preparing for this episode, I hadn't thought about the metaphor of fire at all. So putting the fire out is just um, well, so we're so I feel like we've talked about this a little bit. But what what are the shadows of Aries that Aries needs to be aware of and kind of navigate?

Suzanne: Yeah, Aries. I mean, every single sign has got it's shadow, Aries's shadow. And Aries is definitely no exception to that I mentioned selfishness absolutely can be a very, very selfish sign. And it's important that they keep that in check. compulsiveness not allowing others to support them just being way too independent, and not really even being able to receive support, anger, lack of nuance, you know, again, Libra helps with all of these things, by the way, again, Libra being the opposite sign. Being afraid, is actually you know, kind of to my point that I just spoke about, because courage is so important for Aries, so that if they're not able to be courageous, and they end up being afraid that is actually a shadow for them. You know, and I mean, and I should clarify, fear is a natural, you can't have courage without fear, right? So the fear is going to be normal for an Aries and that's going to be very, very healthy. It's is is does the courage go along with it? Are Are they being courageous, and if they're not, if they're letting fear overtake them, that is a shadow for them. And boredom, again, to my point, if they're bored, it they're just they're not going to be in a healthy place for themselves.

Amy: I want to talk to my out, you've said twice now that they can be like selfish or self oriented. And my experience of people like there's, there's a type of selfish where, okay, I know I can see that you're doing this and you're doing that, but I got my own needs. And so I'm just gonna take care of myself. But then there's also this type of selfish where they're just not even aware of what's happening outside of them. Yeah. With Aries, does it go I'm thinking about like, literally that it starts the season and they're like their creation and I'm thinking if I'm first and I created like, if they're was no life before me, then, yeah, I would have no awareness of what's there other people or whatever, like I could see areas just like not even being aware that other people are real and exists and have priorities. Absolutely.

Amy: Gosh, that's such a beautiful point. Yeah. Because they are the first sign of the season. You're absolutely right. There really isn't no kind of innate awareness in them. And it's something I think that they have to cultivate throughout their lifetime. And hopefully, they have people around them, who helped them to kind of get to understand the healthy version of being selfish, you know, because because there there really is. Because yeah, if they if they weren't selfish, none of us would be here. You know, like, the act of human creation, you know, like, everything, that spark of life that happens at like, it's just selfishness is so important. And it's important that each each human being learns how to tap into selfishness to some degree, but it can get out of hand. Again, it's that it's a similar to that fire example where it can be such an actually a healthy, wonderful thing. And it can get out of hand really, really easily. And for an Aries. I think it's really important to learn how to do that in a way that's

Amy: good. Yeah, yeah. That's one of the things I love about astrology is the elements that, you know, air, fire, water, earth, we need all of them. We do. And we also don't need to be flooded by any of them. Yes,

Suzanne: yes. Exactly. Yeah.

Amy: So, this is spiritual podcast. And so I like to take things in that direction. And so I'm curious. What do you think? Whether spiritually speaking or not, what do you think that Aries is really here to contribute to the world? What are they here to teach us?

Suzanne: Yeah, yeah, I think life, how to how to live life, I don't just mean living your life, going about your day doing things like live life, I think that's true of all of the fire signs. But Aries is the most guttural version of that there's, it's the purest version of that, I would say, because they are the initiator. I would say fire. Passion. Aries is here to teach us how passion, instinct, movement, just how to move our bodies, how to how to fight a battle, whether that's in the boxing match, or as an actual warrior out on the battlefield. Or, you know, like I said, in a courtroom, maybe you know, it's it's all of it's all of that. Yeah, they're here to fight I think is actually a really great word for Aries, they are here to fight life,

Amy: how to have a one to one thing that you said your life today doing, which is a psychic life,  I think that's true. Being the fire sign. In my world, we call that intuition version of that. So I think wrist version of strength of Aries, guttural say, fyzical instinct, passion, something that's padding even I don't have a ton of areas in my chart. So for me, it's like practicing that it connects me to my intuitions how to how to fight you're nodding your head. So that's what I wanted to make sure that you were in agreement with that. And then the battlefield oh, gosh, I've forgotten a second thing. Oh, I sat in a courtroom maybe you know, so I it's all of that.

Suzanne: I just want to talk to me about fighting because I think it's actually I associated it with destruction. Like I don't necessarily associate fighting with like restoration or justice. I can kind of see it as just wasteful. And I know it's not that but help me understand why fighting is important in a spiritual paradigm

Amy: Absolutely. Sure,

Suzanne: Yeah, I think because if there's no, if there's no fight within you, you're just going to be run over, you know, you're going to let people I mean, we can talk about this and a whole plethora of of ways. But, but the human spirit has to have a fight in them, or else we're going to be, we're never going to be able to be our authentic selves, we're never going to make decisions that are best for us. We're going to let everybody else guide us along the way instead of standing up for what's right. And sometimes it does take a fight. Sometimes somebody says you should do X. And, you know, that's, that's not what you should do. And you do have to fight, whether that means with your words, whether that means with your actions, you know, if you look at it on a global scale, of course, you know, I mean, it gets ugly, nobody likes war, I certainly do not like war, you know, and yet, war is something that has been a part of human history, since, I'm sure the earliest humans, you know, even small tribes coming together that that, as much as we want to say, that's, you know, I'm a spiritual being, and I'm, I'm peaceful, and I'm this and I'm that, and I'm all about love and digital. The fact of the matter is, is that if we denied the fight within the human spirit, the there'd be a massive part of us missing. It's like, when you have a toddler, and there's there, and they just want to be kind of crazy, and maybe throw pillows around and throw cars and do whatever toddlers do, right? And you go, no, no, no, no, no, Johnny, you know, don't, you can't do that. And if Johnny has got a lot of Aries energy, you've just tamped him down in a way that is honestly harmful. The more that you do that Johnny's gotta throw the car, Johnny's gotta throw the pillows, he's gotta get his Aries out in some way. It is. And not every person is like this. Some are just the most gentle of souls, but it is absolutely part of the human spirit. That many, many of us, you know, we've just we've got a fight in us. And if we're not embodying that fight, we're not living in our authenticity.

Amy: So I'm, I'm, it's like dawning on me from an emotional intelligence point of view, like, anger. from a spiritual perspective, anger is the emotion that alerts us to that we need to change something. Yeah, yeah. And so that's, we're talking about throwing cars. I'm on the like, no, no side of things. But anger actually does have a very deep spiritual purpose. And I have an episode on that in season two in the podcast. So that does, that helps me. Helps me contextualize it. Because when I don't know what the word fighting, I go to war, you know? Sure. But you're right. That's not the only type of fighting and anger is important.

Suzanne: And it's, you know, like, it's so important for Johnny to learn how to channel that anger in a in a in a healthy kind of way. Yeah, maybe he shouldn't be throwing cars, you know, but what can he What can he do? You know, and so, that's something I think a lot of parents struggle with. I have an Aries child. And he does, he has to get his anger out some way. And so it's a struggle to help him to learn to do that in a constructive way.

Amy: Well, that's a Shadow Man. Um, what happens? If so, we talked, I think we talked a little bit about like, if we didn't have Aries in our lives, like, we just we wouldn't exist, we wouldn't be here. What happens? Not on a personal level, if we don't have Aries in our chart, or if we don't have a planet in the sign of Aries? Yeah,

Suzanne: yeah, you know, if you don't have Aries in your, in your chart, you might kind of lack the vigor to start. You might not be passionate about things, you might just wonder, like, why I see all my friends, they're just out there being so passionate about things and I've just, I'm just not, you might be not able to tap into your anger, you know, and so you might be wondering, kind of those kinds of things might might be what you're feeling now, if you have other fire signs in your chart, that that may supplement it and, and kind of as a, as a really important piece of this. It's very not it's very normal to not have you know, a planet in every single sign there's there's only 10 what we call an astrology basic planets, you know, and there's there's 12 signs. So if we're just using The 10 of them, there's no way that you can actually have that. So sometimes people look at their charts and they go, Oh my gosh, I'm missing this thing did you do today? And they're so worried about it? Well, no, everybody, everybody's got that we're all missing different things. And so if you're, if this is a problem for you, if you're noticing, like, yeah, I am lacking these things, how do I how do I tap into it? You know, there's a few ways that you can do that. First of all, when you look at your natal chart, and you might need an astrologers help with this because it can get complicated but if you have a copy of your natal chart, you you kind of you can look at the house that Aries rules, and you can kind of see Alright, so that's, that's the area of my life where I embody my Aries best Okay? And you can you can Google things and, and all of that, that's one area of where you can kind of look to that. Another is well, we all have the planet Mars in our chart. Every single human has the planet Mars in our chart, Mars energy and Aries energy, that's kind of the same thing. The question will be well, where what sign is Mars in in your chart? Now if your Mars is in Pisces, for instance, Pisces is a very peaceful sign. You know, you're gonna go okay, well, how do I how do I tap into that? And you know, there are there are ways that you can go okay, well, your your Pisces Energy wants to kind of take on some of that assertiveness, you know, how would that do that and for Pisces, Pisces is Yeah, more spiritual, loving, compassionate sign. So it's probably not going to be so much about the fight. But you might, you know, like I mentioned salsa dancing, you know, Pisces, I think Pisces loves to dance, you know, and so salsa dancing, something that just get your heart rate up, you know, would be a way to kind of tap into that. So I think it's, if you're with an astrologer, actually looking at your target your chart, they'll be able to tell you best, what avenue she might have towards that Aries energy towards that fire energy. Because it's everybody's chart is so unique that it can be kind of hard to, to break that down. But there, you do have an avenue to Aries. It's just how do you get there? You know, and I think probably the best way is like to go to an astrologer get a reading, and they can kind of help you figure that out. It's yeah, it's, it can be complicated, but it is not impossible. And I think the best thing to remember, even if you can to get your heart pumping, and getting your heart pumping in some areas of your life, maybe it's gonna help you to express your anger, maybe it's going to help you to create that passion in you. Yeah, that's

Amy: when all the words when you were talking earlier about Mars and Aries being similar. And then one of the first things you said about Mars is like dancing, if it was in Pisces, so I'm taking that to mean Mars is a very physical sign. Yes. And so would we naturally say that Aries perhaps as a more physical zodiac sign than the other signs?

Suzanne: Yeah, I mean, there's definitely, yeah, I probably would. Yeah, because it's al.l Yeah, it's all about your your body, that movement, the adrenaline that goes through your areas also rules the adrenals within our body. It's, yeah, it's all it's all about movement, not heart pumping. Okay.

Amy: And I mean, that makes sense. Because back to the emotional intelligence ones like passion and anger are both very felt emotions. versus something like despair is almost like an out of body emotion. We have a hard time feeling it we're disconnected from it. So that makes sense. What does Aries

Suzanne: Aries love about life? Yeah, you know, I think they love I kind of already said this, but I'm going to repeat it because I think it's worth worth saying twice. They love living. And like not sitting on the couch watching TV. Like living living to the fullest expression of life. They'd love to just get out there and just do and and feel that that that that make just make something that make that that fire just really burn, you know, so bright. Yeah, they love to compete. Oh, any kind of competitive sport or any kind of competitive anything. They're going to be out there. They're going to be the fiercest competitor out there. You know, just Yeah. moving their bodies at any way. They love to be courageous. You know, I talked about the importance of them being courageous. They love to be courageous a challenge. Give me a challenge. I'm going to do it.

Amy: Do they need something to fight for? or? Yeah,

Suzanne: I think they do. I think they really do. Yeah, that can be really, if they don't have something to fight for. They're gonna they're gonna find it. Gotcha. Yeah, it's gonna turn up as you know, fights within their marriage or something like that.

Amy: What is it that they're here to learn?

Suzanne: And you know what to be? Sorry, I'm going to interrupt and just remind people that nobody is 100% Aries. And so I'm not saying this is the only thing you're here to do. But just from like an archetypal thing. Yeah.

Amy: And I think that's, that's a really important point. Because you're absolutely right. All of our charts are actually so complex. And we're, we are just speaking about if someone had pure Aries energy, which that's just that's not a thing. So yeah, but it is just Yeah, so I'm just I feel like that's, that's a question that we don't often ask. Yeah. So I'm curious for your take on? Yeah. What is Aries here to learn? And what I mean by here to learn is like, in this lifetime, from the paradigm that, that we choose to come to earth and grow and expand, what's the Aries route for that?

Suzanne: Yeah, they're here to learn to be fierce. You know, I mean, so I'll use some of the same words have already used but you know, to really tap into that fierceness, they are here to just show the world how to how to how to fight and stand up and use our bodies. You know, I think that they're here to just, you've got to have some sort of energy here. That's so instinctual. And so I think they're here to Yeah, to learn to just follow all of those things. They're here to be courageous and put up a fight here to challenge themselves, stand up for themselves and claim what is rightfully theirs. You know, you can again, like we can go back to the selfishness thing. You can call it selfishness, but you'd be really short sighted if you did. You know, because it's, they are selfish, and they have to, they have to be selfish. You know. It's important, sometimes for people to put in their, their own needs ahead. Sorry. Yeah.

Amy: So I'm embarrassed to admit this, but I'm Libra rising, which is the opposite of of Aries. Yeah, when I asked like, what are they here to learn? I thought you were gonna say kind of the opposite of what you said. Like that. They're here to learn peace or, or whatever, but your answer is so much more correct. Like they're here to learn how to be the high road best version of Aries? Of course they are. And it's just hilarious that because I'm so ingrained in Libra, of course, Oh, they're here to learn to be like Libra. No, they're not me.

Suzanne: No, yeah. But but let's let's take a look at that. Because Absolutely, when you want to look at the high road of one sign, you absolutely do shoot to the opposite sign of Libra. And so you're not you're not wrong, you know, but but they're not learn here to learn how to be a peaceful individual like they are here to learn to be every human is here to learn to be authentic, and to be who they are to their most fullest. And again, when we when we put out some of Aries fire and we tamp them down there, they can't tell they're literally become depressed. You know, and so yeah, I think yeah.

Amy: What to fight for where to fight. The passion and the instinct. I just I love it. I mean, I this is one of the reasons why I wanted to record these episodes, because, for me, fire signs in my chart are quite challenging, mostly. And so I don't have a lovely relationship with Aries. So asking all these questions, I'm like, Oh, yeah. Oh, that's good. Yeah. So I'm curious. For for me, I feel like there are certain things that when I remember I am my best self. So I've I've shared on the podcast like I can be very wrapped up in the opinion of others. And so for me, there's this like, Of Course in Miracles has in my defenselessness, my safety lies. And I'll remind myself the spiritual truth that like, no matter what anybody says or thinks about me, my value doesn't change, my livability doesn't change. And it's like, when I know that in my bones, like not mentally, but when I know that in my bones, that's, that's when I show up as my best self. So what? What does the archetype of Aries? What do they need to know that they've probably forgotten? Like, what is it that they're here to embody? That's going to allow them to be their best selves? And this is a really hard question. So I'm kind of sorry, I'm asking you, but if you have an answer, it will be amazing.

Suzanne:  Yeah, what do they need to know to embody themselves they know, they've got to know that they're, they are worth the fight. You know, that they are. Yeah, that, that they're, you know, I think that you know, we're talking about Aries here in such a positive light. And, but, but if we look at anger, we look at anger from a very negative place, and we don't want people to be angry little Johnny throwing the cars, you know, things like that. Society says, That's not okay. Somebody gets angry, you're bad, you know, is often the retort and, and I think that I think that collectively, we really need to be doing a better job of supporting people in their anger, you know, and allowing it to, to be expressed, I mean, that because, you know, and I know, you know, this from an emotional, you know, background, it's, as he all human beings, if, if we feel intense about something, we need to get our anger out, and we are not able to, it's, it's just, it's, it's going to become internal, you are going to be depressed, you're, you're going to, you're going to blow up to the point where your anger is going to do something actually quite bad. You know, and so I think we need to recognize that, you know, and here I'm saying, We, I'm kind of I feel like I'm not answering the exact question here. But, but I think that, that for an Aries, I think it's important that they understand, I think they might feel shame, sometimes about their anger, you know, and so that this kind of the perspective, I'm coming from, like, your anger is a part of part of you. And it's important, again, to learn how to channel that in a healthy way. But it's nobody is bad for feeling mad. Yeah. Right. And, yeah, I just, I think that our society can do a much better job of supporting that and figuring out how to channel it and not just labeling people. You know? Yeah, this isn't a question.

Amy: I think so. But we're gonna keep talking about it. So they need to know that anger is sacred. And then I have this idea while you were talking, that there are instinctual. And they'd naturally like moved by their instincts. And I was kind of thinking from a global perspective. I wonder, because anger is natural to them. And because they're instinctual, I kind of wonder they might be the first to well, they are the first, but they might be the first to notice if something's gone awry. Like they might be the whistleblower. And in a positive sense of the word.

Suzanne: Yeah. Yeah, I think I think absolutely, again, going back to the fact that they were a cardinal sign, they are the initiator, they are the, you know, yeah, they're gonna they're not they're not afraid to put themselves out there. They are, they're gonna maybe have your right, a visceral reaction to something, a gut instinct that tells them Something smells fishy. And I'm going to take action, they're not afraid to take action. So, yeah, and that and it's, it's so important to have those people in society, you know, yeah, who are not who are not afraid.

Amy: My suspicion that one of the things they might be here to learn is that it's possible to be mindful without putting out fire. Do you think that's true? Or is it not me repeat that let me repeat that it's possible to be mindful without putting out fire? Yeah, that's absolutely true statement. And they, they, yeah, they do need to learn to manage, you know, that, but I think that you know, it's all about embodying that that fire in the right way. So yes, you can be mindful, you can be, you know, all of all of these lovely qualities, what society thinks those quote unquote, lovely qualities, you know, and also have your fire going again, because you're utilizing it somewhere. You know, if you're, you know, again, a sprinter, you know, or you're, you know, in the courtroom, or, you know, the hope, maybe, maybe you're a police officer, you're utilizing it there, you know, and in your personal life, you're, you're, you're calm, you're peaceful. And I think that when we ask the question of what is someone here to, to learn? I just I think it's, it's such a nuanced question. And it's so difficult, because it would really depend on the person's natal chart so much, which all of this would literally every question would actually depend on the person's natal chart. So what I'm saying is moot in some ways. But, but I think that when we're when we're asking the question about what, what is someone here, it's just, it could go a million directions, because everybody's curriculum here on Earth is so vastly different, you know, and so I just don't think it's completely true for some Aries I think for for, you know, I just I think it's, it's, it's too nuanced.

Suzanne: Very Gemini of you. Yeah, I think because, so I one place where I do have Aries is in my mercury, which is communication. And so something that I have to know, is, to your point about how nuanced nuanced it is. For me in areas, I have to know that it's okay for me to take a break before I communicate. And it's okay for me, because I can be I can yell, like, I can just yell, it feels really good for me to yell at like, it just does. But if I it's like, if I don't either go for a walk, or really get clear on why I'm angry. I can talk to somebody and they can get burned. You know, it's like the fire can be really destructive, if I but you know, there's that part of us where like, anger is really powerful. And so if we're not communicating, while we're angry, it's tempting to look at that. And as if we're less powerful, you know. So for me, the lesson would be to like, if back to the fire metaphor, it's like, communicate while you have fire, don't put the fire out. But make sure your fire is not taken over the whole house. And it's like in the fireplace where it belongs, you know, it's contained. And for me that containment is often like, Okay, I need to take some deep breaths, I need to be very clear about behavior versus name calling, you know what I mean? Like there's just like the containing of the fire. So you're right, it's absolutely it's absolutely nuanced. But when you were talking about when I was like, what, what is Aries here to learn? And, and everything that you said there was so beautiful, I wish I could remember the exact words that you used. How to Be fierce, that was what I loved how to be fierce because that's a different you, like I can tell how like ferocity comes from fire. But that's a different connotation than just having fire. It's like how to be how to be fierce. And so as somebody that struggles with Aries and wants to get better at Aries, I'm trying to think like, what is it that I need to know that would in my bones helped me to be fierce? I think that you're allowed to because I again, I just I think our society in some ways, it really rewards that behavior and in all other ways. Really, I just think our society is very confused about about that type of energy. Because it Yeah, the fire can overtake everything. And I think that it's actually so healthy when it's done in in a way It's not out of control. And, and I also think that sometimes it's got to be a little bit out of control. You know, like, sometimes you just gotta get it out, you know? And of course, okay, where do we draw the line here? Obviously, you know it's just it's such a, it really is a complicated topic, because we, in society, in order for society to work, we all have to be in line. Do you mean the things following the rules? Aries is not the best rule follower, you know that because they are that selfish. They aren't, you know, like, and so I think it's, but if you just imagine a world where like, every human knew that if something wasn't right, they would have no fear. And they would just step right up to the plate and say, This isn't right. And they would use use all of that fire within them to really just speak their truth and say, say what they got to say. And if they need to, to fight a mad, I mean, on one hand, imagine that world that sounds terrifying. No, that's where

Amy: I, you gave me the chills at how different this world would be.

Suzanne: Right? Yeah, if we could all do that, but in a healthy way. Yeah. And then that, and that's the complicated part is that? Yeah. And so I think, I think, yeah, for Aries. And you're going back to the question of what they're here to learn how to how to how to express that fire. In its healthiest form. You know, I mean, it's how to stand up for what's right, for yourself, for whatever, in a way where you're going to be heard. You know, and you're going to have an impact. 

Amy: So I've heard, I've heard that Aries are the leaders, because they're first, but because we've talked about, like, they're sort of self oriented, I kind of have this vision of they come first, and they're fine. And we liked them because they're passionate. And so we follow but they're not necessarily turning around and make sure we're doing it right.

Suzanne: No, they're not.

Amy: So they have leadership potential, let's say

Suzanne: absolutely. Okay. All right. Absolutely. A lot of leadership potential there. Yeah, but you did have to look at the whole chart of somebody to really see well, that's yes. You know, yeah. Because no, there.

Amy: Yeah, yeah. Okay. All right. So I, I wanted to I want to talk about airy season, like the coming season. But before we get to that real quick, I'm curious about Aries, in relationship, and again, none of us are 100% Aries, we're just kind of talking archetype. But how, especially because we kind of think of them even in a positive way as being self oriented. How to Aries love others.

Suzanne: Yeah, you know, I passionately, passionately, I mean, the bedroom is gonna be spicy. Right? You know, like, that's, that's one example. We talked about, you know, humans being born. And, you know, that's, that is definitely one example. They give their absolute, although, I think, I think they're, they're always just going to be there, they're really going to be there. They're going to they're going to fight and then make up with everything they have, again, another example of just giving their all to everything. They're going to be protective. You know, it's beautiful. Yeah, they, they'll initiate action within the relationship. And here's, you know, if you have an Aries and a Libra together in a relationship, where do you want to go for dinner and the Libras going, you know, I don't know, wherever and the Aries is okay, let's go here, you know, and that sometimes is the best dynamic in a relationship where you know. But because Aries is inherently selfish, it's really important that they I said this already, but I'm going to reiterate it, that they find their fight outside of the relationship. You know, because our LCA, it's gonna, it's gonna really, it's going to really come in there. And so we hope that that they just, they keep the passion in, in that relationship, and they helps to make sure that the relationship is always really lit up, and hopefully they're doing a great job of lighting up their partner, as well. You know, that's

Amy: beautiful. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah, yeah. So if we're in relationship with Aries, and you know, when when we say relationship, we usually think romantic relations. ships, but we could extend this outside of that. Yeah. What do Aries need from us in order to receive love? Yeah,

Suzanne: they need, they need us to keep up with them. Because they're gonna be go go go all of the time, I think they need us to respect their anger and their fight, you know, and that that is just a part of them, we've got to support their passions, their ability to feel it up, we've got to understand that they are risk takers. And, again, support the fact that they're, they're gonna take some risks, and you know, not to say you have to be happy with the risks that they take all the time, but I just understand that, that that is who they are. And I think the healthiest kind of partner for them, will do all of those things that caused them as well, again, the Libra would be such a great partner for them, because they're the Libra will bring that calming energy to them. So okay, let's, let's have the, the sparks and the the fire and the movement and that all of this somewhere. And then the Libra brings the part that okay, let's also have some peace, you know, and if, if they can manage that, then I think that that's that's very supportive of, you know, a partner with with an Aries is to show them the route to peace, and how to get there. Yeah.

Amy: I had written in our, you know, outline I had written what brings Aries towards feelings of inner peace and solace. And I was thinking as, as we were talking, I was thinking, that's a Libra question, like Aries might not be searching peace and solace. Like they might be searching a different feeling.

Suzanne: Yeah, well, that's true. And also everybody needs those feelings of peace and solace. At some point, we all have to, we all have to get there. You know, just as much as we all need to embody that fight. We all also need to embody, you know, the, the peace and solace within us. It's, you know, just part of being human. And I think that for an Aries, it's very difficult to get there. You know, and I think one of the avenues to get there is being able, like, I already kind of said it, but being able to have their fight. I think they can get there if they've had their fight. You know, as long as they're expressing that and they've got it out there somewhere. They're getting it, they're getting sweaty, they're doing you know, then they're able to calm down and yeah, and be relaxed. Because if they were if an Aries were just on fire all the time. Well, that's not good.

Amy: Right? You know? Yeah. I like I like, when you said like, get their fight, I had this image. Again, if Aries was an archetype, I had this image of like Aries laying, laying its head down on the pillow for the day. And just literally, what I heard in my head was like, I fought the good fight. You know, and like, and then I'm out sweet. Yeah. You know, like, that's the piece I fought the good fight.

Suzanne: Absolutely. I yeah, I can see that. And it's like, you know, imagine somebody like, you know, who's just had an a strenuous workout and they just collapse you know, and that's, that's that's Aries energy I think so wonderfully. Alright, now let's collapse. That's that's how they're gonna kind of get there. 

Amy: That's a really helpful example for me. Because I the the fighting like I want to get there. I'm bought into it, but I don't actually get it in my bones. You know, the but that when you exercise, and then you have that, like, Yeah, I did it. Okay, that's something I can get. Oh, man. Okay. Anything else you want to say about Aries and the archetype? I mean, I feel like I know, we've repeated ourselves several times, but anything else before we move on to like, what? What's up ahead season?

Suzanne: Oh, gosh, I don't know. Um, yeah, I think I feel like we've Yeah, we've we've done a pretty good job. So yeah, yeah. Awesome.

Amy: Well, this episode is airing right after Aries season starts. I think it's like March 23. I think it's when this is gonna go live. Okay, so looking at the transits that are during Aries season, anything collectively that we should all be aware of. That's happening.

Suzanne: Yeah, I wrote down a few things. So this will have already taken place. But you know, just to kind of let people know the sun will enter Aries on March 19 8:16pm. Exactly. 8:06pm. I'm sorry, exactly. It's going to go through April 19 at 7am. And so, so Yeah, and like I said, season of Aries is always the exact moment of the spring equinox. Signs are what usher in all of the seasons. Okay, so that's three 18 through 22 So also the day before this podcast airs Mars is going to enter Pisces. Oh, and that's that's funny that we talked about that. Yeah, Mars and Pisces, which is such a, so maybe this Aries season might have a little bit of it. Yeah. tamped it down feel to it. You know, we've got some Pisces energy there. You know, with our action, which is yeah, that's gonna be an interesting kind of flavor.

Amy: Let's all go slow dancing. Yes.

Suzanne: Full Moon Lunar Eclipse in Libra on 3:25 at 1201 A M Pacific Daylight Time. So yeah, so we're getting we're getting back into the the swings of eclipse season here, guys.

Amy: Can you tell people that don't understand Eclipse like mania? Why do people care so much about eclipses?

Suzanne: Well, I think there's a whole plethora of reasons, I think probably the to, you know, I mean, even before I was into astrology, I loved eclipses, because they're just fun to watch. You know, I mean, they're, if you can physically see them, of course, you can't always I think there's just this an amazing, this amazing phenomenon, even if we again, take ourselves completely out of astrology, where the you know, it's just the people back in ancient times literally thought these were messages from the gods, you know, and so it's, I think there's there is some of that in there, you know, and there's just there's so much power in it from a spiritual perspective. I mean, the light goes away our light. So we have two luminaries, the sun and the moon. They go away. You know, sometimes whether it's a total eclipse or a partial eclipse, it varies, right? What does that mean? And when our light is all of a sudden dimmed. What are we supposed to do? We are in the shadows, like what does that mean? And it's different depending on the sign and, you know, other kinds of things. But, but yeah,

Amy: you gave me another chills moment. Yeah, those luminaries

Suzanne: are so important. So when they make a big change like that, yeah, that's a big deal. Yeah.

Amy: Oh, it is a big deal. Because I'm, I don't know i Anything where people get super excited. I'm naturally again, I know.

Suzanne: There are some where it's a bigger deal than others. So that that Lunar Eclipse in Libra. Yeah, I think it's absolutely a big deal, you know, but we're going to talk about another one here in a second. That's an even bigger deal. Okay. Okay, so after that Mercury goes, retro grade mercury will be in Aries. It will go retrograde. So April 1 through April 25. So, yep, yep, yep. Okay, and just a little caveat, it's a little, a little note on retrograde. People are always scared Retrogrades. You guys, don't be scared of Retrogrades Do not be scared of Retrogrades. All it is. And I will say from a science perspective, nothing is actually moving backwards, you guys. It's exact. It's just the degrees like the from our perspective here on Earth, it looks like things are moving backwards. And so degree wise. It is. And that is us. From a scientific perspective. You could ask NASA that same question. They'd say exactly the same thing degrees. Yes, it is, but not an actuality. So what it means is that we're redoing those decrees, we already did those degrees. Oh, and now we're going to slow down and now we're going to redo them. So it's giving you another chance to kind of redo some of the things that you've done. So you want to have a lot of reflection during that period. What are you going to what do you want to redo? You know, and I think the reason why issues sometimes come up is because, well, you know, sometimes issues have to come up in order for us to realize and change our perspective about things Mercury is all about perspective. So when something happens, pay attention, pay attention to it, what what this is your chance to redo something What are you going to redo? And you know, double check your work. Double check everything while Mercury's in retrograde, of course. So, so yeah. And on that exact same day. We have a last quarter moon and Capricorn and the quarter moons also can represent times of challenges so that you know, April 1, April Fool's Day could be a challenging day we'll see. But nothing nothing crazy. I wouldn't I wouldn't be too concerned. All right. Venus enters Aries on April 4 that goes through April 29.

Amy: Then April 4 is my youngest kiddos birthday and April 29. is my birthday. Oh forget Venus Aries transit this year. All right.

Suzanne: There we go. I love it. I love it. Okay, and here's the here's the big money piece. This guy this this time guys. We have got a new moon solar solar eclipse in Aries on April 8 at 11:21am Pacific Daylight Time. Here's the thing guys, this is a total will eclipse a total eclipse? Okay. So it it's a big deal. A total eclipse is a big deal no matter what, all right? They happen every year. No. Okay. No, they don't happen every year. So it's and I think they happen they might happen once with every like nodal season which is about every 18 months, you know. But But yeah, they it's a really big deal. And of course, you may or may not be able to see it from where you are just google your location on the path of this and you'll be able to tell what's going on. The thing though, that's quite striking about this eclipse is that literally at the exact moment of the eclipse, Chiron, which is the wound the asteroid that's the wounded healer is conjunct the Sun in the moon. And when you haven't, anytime you have a new moon, the sun and the moon are conjunct, meaning they're like together. Chiron is right there with them. And I, you know, you could have a whole lot of theories, astrologers are not actually people think astrologers can make like real exact predictions. Astrologers actually cannot, they can only speak to the energy that's there. Who knows how that energy is going to be channeled. So you could come up with all kinds of predictions. You could come up with, oh, this is going to mean major healing for us Chiron being the wounded healer. New Moons are a time for new manifestations and things like that. Okay. So we've got some sort of new healing that's going to be taking place. The wounded healer, though, maybe it's his our wounding that's going to be highlighted, like I don't I don't know. It seems pretty major. We may or may not know about exactly what happens at that time. I think sometimes these big events happen. And people think, Oh, well, nothing actually happened. And then later, five years down the line, or 50 years down the line, or whatever, we realized, Oh, actually, somebody did happen on that day. Just maybe the public didn't know. Yeah, so it's not maybe that a new flame starts and we just don't feel the flame to later. Yeah,yeah. Yeah. So it's yeah, it's a big event, though. Yeah. And then the last thing is the first quarter moon in cancer on April 15. Yeah,

Amy: I love a cancer moon. We meet a cancer moon on tax day. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Suzanne, I just, I loved having this conversation. And I know that we, we repeated ourselves a lot. But I think there's a lot of value in that, especially for those of us that struggle with certain signs. It's like, we need to hear it, we need to hear multiple times, we need to kind of hear it different ways. And I, and I just want to, like remind everybody out there that even if you don't know anything about your chart, that we all have aspects of these elements within us and places in our lives where this shows up. And so there's value in an understanding the archetype regardless of whether or not you're in to astrology. Absolutely, yeah. But if you are into astrology, Suzanne and I are offering a flash sale. So it's today and tomorrow, Saturday, March 23, Sunday, March 24. flash sale where you can do joint readings with us. So you can do a year ahead reading with us $222. And so we will look at your the transits like starting with Aries season and moving forward, what's what's up ahead for you this year. And if you've never had a birth chart reading, then you could buy both the birth chart plus the year ahead, reading is $367. And here's what I want to say about this. We're just doing this because it's fun. Like, this is a really because it's fun, and we like it and we think it will be good free. Well, if you were to book us separately for an hour, it would be more expensive than this. So we've we've priced it to make it available to you, which is why it's only available for 48 hours. So yeah, if you if you book a reading with us, then Susanna and I will both be there will have looked at your chart will have looked at your transits. And we will invite your guides and angels to add in whatever they would like to add in and help us to focus the reading and you'll be able to ask questions and all that good stuff. So if you're interested in that, you can go to Amy Hageman dot love forward slash Astro flash and the link will be in the show notes. And we were are going to welcome back Suzanne and about a month we'll be talking about what comes next. I should know that tourists will be talking about tourist season in April. So thank you so much loves and I will talk to you next week. Bye. Thank you for listening to the living out love pod cast. If this episode was helpful for you, there are three ways that you can share the love. can send this episode your family, friend, neighbor, leave me a rating and review on your favorite podcast platform, or comment and ask questions on YouTube. This season is meant to be interactive. Thanks again for your presence. I appreciate you being here. Talk to you next week loves